scent of FOX

[houndcrazyfool]

How close is Fox scent to a dog scent? I know Fox are supposed to be closer to the cat family than dog but a few guys i know that like to run foxes that also have trouble breaking off the damn coyotes...

[Cowboyvon]

My dogs seem to think they smell just like lions.... but then again sometimes they think coyotes smell like lions too.....

[Mike Leonard]

Coyotes are problems for all big game hounds, but not because they smell like lions.Gray fox on the other hand make fools out of many bare ground lion hunters.They leave a track many lions hounds can hardly resist, and they put down a trail that makes many hunters think their dogs are cold trailing a lion track because they go in a similar fashion and in similar places. I have seen guys trail for hours bragging about the cold lion trail they were pounding only to finally see the fox moving ahead of the dogs or just a plain fox track and no lion track.

My old Late great Kate dog who was a super dry ground lion dog would slip up and get on a fox now and then. If I suspected it I would yell at her and she would lay down and roll up on her back with her feet up in the air and look just pitiful. If it was a lion she would never even look back. LOL!

[Paul Conway]

We have some running hounds that love fox, some that don't care if it's fox or yote and some that will leave a fox track for a yote track every time. Not many fox as years ago. So we shoot a few and let most run another day. Love those greys they might stay in the same small patch of swamp or thick cover all day- a day of good dog work is a fun day for sure. Reds wil run tighter than yotes ,but now and again one goes cross country. Yotes take the hounds on a tour of the county and often surrounding counties. Paul Conway.

[JARED PLUMLEE]

ive got a fox dog or two and tree my share of fox,,,,to my knowledge they have never ran a coyote one...now i have seen the male dogs piss or shit and scrape where (what i believe) a coyote has marked or been relatively recently but best i can tell they havent ran one...which is a good thing...coyotes cant climb a tree thus i dont want a dog to mess with one...i am also very unexperienced with them lonnnng "races" yall are talking about...i guess i run ALOT hotter tracks or something...take care

[Liz ODell]

I can never understand why people would think that running foxes would make a dog run coyotes...after all if a dog can smell the difference between one human and another (or smell cancer cells, or oncoming siezures in humans etc. etc.) and between one dog and another they can dang sure tell the diffference between a fox and coyote. If your fox or cat dogs take after a yote it's not cause their confused...its cause they wanted to run a yote. That said I can say that if I road or rig the dogs they will strike/start old cat tracks and cold trail them up but they will not strike/start cold fox tracks, they only strike/start hot fox tracks. There are way more fox than cats here and I have NEVER/EVER encouraged them to cold trail foxes I would never put them out on a froze up fox track but I do put them out in the same situation if its a cat track. I also see that as kind of 'proof' that you can train dogs to be more or less cold nosed for different types of game - if that makes any sense. I have also heard the old time fox hunters say that most of a foxes scent comes off his tail and therefore tailless foxes (which I do see/catch now and then) are harder for the dogs to smell. Of course this all pertains to grey foxes I would not let mine ever run reds...but I'm sure that a dog ought to be able to smell the difference between a red fox and grey fox, but I don't know anything else about running red fox. Man, I hate office days other than this website...

[cecil j.]

How close is Fox scent to a dog scent? I know Fox are supposed to be closer to the cat family than dog but a few guys i know that like to run foxes that also have trouble breaking off the damn coyotes...

The gray fox, red sided gray foc are of the cat family and all cat can climb trees/ so with gray fox, red sided gray fox, black legged hill fox, kitt fox = thus they smell like a cat track too a degree .
The Northern Redfox, the Eastern Red fox, the Cross Fox all belong too the dog falimy andare like a cyote & dog scent track left by a Red Fox= they can climb a leaning tree but their toenails dont retrack and claw out for brabb to use too climb up with.
There are 2 kinds of fox hounds : A) the red fox dog that runs a line-out runnen footed fox with deeper lungs power too run. And B) the gray fox dog that runs a patterern gray fox & bob cat . They run a much closser track and learn how too thred the needle on the turn-backs and too cut-in-slashon the foggen front end of the race when need too and they stop and tree up and have the game treed/ very rarely is a gray fox dog equally as good on red fox/ or vissa verssa.
The sent of a red fox and cyote are simular enoughf while the sents of a gray fox and a bob cat are very simmular and on good gray fox dogs and equally good on bobcat/ ya might not can tell which your runnen till ya get too the tree cause they run alot a like same patters and stuff/ usuall a give-a-way hit might be a perticular hound had a change of mouth on bob cat from gray fox, not many do but some do!
On mtn lion it is a cat too/ how close of scent don`t know but a cat is a cat and once he hears a dog he will close his foot as hes moven leven no sent but from his mouth and once ya get him warm and stinken/ then he opens his pads between his paws and jams and now the dogs got more sent too work with on that track.
jack

[Paul Conway]

i guess i run ALOT hotter tracks or something...take care

the cold trail the "short" part of the race. The real fun begins when the yote gets jumped and then decides to change his voter registration! Paul Conway.
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[Vance M.]

Fox's are Canids. Red fox or gray it dont matter they are all related to dogs with NO relation to cats.

"The Gray Fox's ability to climb trees is shared only with the Asian Raccoon Dog among canids. Their strong, hooked claws allow them to scramble up trees to escape predators such as dogs or coyotes, or to reach tree-bound or arboreal food sources. They descend primarily by jumping from branch to branch, or by descending slowly backwards"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gray_Fox

[JARED PLUMLEE]

i guess i run ALOT hotter tracks or something...take care

the cold trail the "short" part of the race. The real fun begins when the yote gets jumped and then decides to change his voter registration! Paul Conway.
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paul i made that statement in refference to my experiances running fox not yotes...take care

[cecil j.]

Fox's are Canids. Red fox or gray it dont matter they are all related to dogs with NO relation to cats.

"The Gray Fox's ability to climb trees is shared only with the Asian Raccoon Dog among canids. Their strong, hooked claws allow them to scramble up trees to escape predators such as dogs or coyotes, or to reach tree-bound or arboreal food sources. They descend primarily by jumping from branch to branch, or by descending slowly backwards"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gray_Fox

A house cat, coon,gray fox,bobcat, lynxx cat, mtn. lion all can skiddle right up a tellophnoe pol like as quick as johnny begood ! They gray fox are of the cat family, like a cat they can close the paw pad not letting scent glans between their toes too stink and the track is very hard too work/ save 1 dog till he get that fox or cat too moveing enoughf its body gets hot/ it cant sweat lessen its sweat glans between its toes are open ! Just like a coon has its slivya glands in its palms of its 2 front hands/ animals share different charorestics. But I`m wrong your right so I`ll just let ya have it/

jack

[TomJr]

Foxes are in the canid or "DOG" family go to the library and read a book and you will see. Slivary glandes in raccoon's feet?!? haha... I think I will stop trying to struggle through ol Cecil's posts I feel dumber just having tried to make sence out of them.

[HardHittin]

Foxes are in the canid or "DOG" family go to the library and read a book and you will see. Slivary glandes in raccoon's feet?!? haha... I think I will stop trying to struggle through ol Cecil's posts I feel dumber just having tried to make sence out of them.

Beleave me I'm no defending anyone.
But I have read on the subject grey fox is of the cat family red fox is of the dog family right in the world book
Matt

[Vance M.]

Gray fox's are about as related to cats as much as one of your hounds are.


Fox;
"any of various carnivorous mammals (especially genus Vulpes) of the dog family related to but smaller than wolves with shorter legs, more pointed muzzle, large erect ears, and long bushy tail"

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fox

http://www.ozfoxes.com/aafoxes.htm

[TomJr]

Good links. I found a link to another site on the ozfoxes one and it had some recordings of sounds foxes make. Red foxes not grey but they must be real close to the grey because my young hound mix, who was sleeping near my feet, bolted up and started sniffing the air looking for the "fox". He loves those grey foxes and caught a number of them this winter, two on the ground.

No red fox in this area just greys. I believe the red fox was imported into the east so they could be run with the old fox-hounds. Greys are native.