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treemup44 · Post by **treemup44** » Mon Apr 28, 2008 12:27 am

All I run is walker bluetick cross dogs, they do every thing I ask them to do. I run lions, bobcats, coons, and a bear every now and then and they do great.I have been cross breeding my own line of them for about 10 years. I had purebred of both before that and wanted a little more nose in my walkers and a little more speed in my blueticks, and I have got it every time I cross my dogs.

lion hunter · Post by **lion hunter** » Mon Apr 28, 2008 12:58 am

If it works then why not. Lets see some pics of them cold nosed ferrari's.

jst · Post by **jst** » Mon Apr 28, 2008 1:36 am

Isn't a Walker, Bluetick cross. A English hound? Or have I been told wrong all this time?

treemup44 · Post by **treemup44** » Mon Apr 28, 2008 4:34 pm

I'm not trying to make my dogs out to be the best dogs in the world, their not, im just saying I think its a good cross and it has worked for me.

Melanie Hampton · Post by **Melanie Hampton** » Mon Apr 28, 2008 4:40 pm

jst wrote:Isn't a Walker, Bluetick cross. A English hound? Or have I been told wrong all this time?

No an English hound is it's own breed.. It is not a walker/bluetick cross..

jst · Post by **jst** » Tue Apr 29, 2008 12:58 am

Okie dokie. Learned something new. Thanks.

easttenngator · Post by **easttenngator** » Tue Apr 29, 2008 11:22 pm

Bluetick and English are the same dog, poeple started breeding the blues together and made them there own breed back in the 30's or 40's, (that is where the liver bluetick come from)

Spanky · Post by **Spanky** » Tue Apr 29, 2008 11:59 pm

treemup44 wrote:All I run is walker bluetick cross dogs, they do every thing I ask them to do. I run lions, bobcats, coons, and a bear every now and then and they do great.I have been cross breeding my own line of them for about 10 years. I had purebred of both before that and wanted a little more nose in my walkers and a little more speed in my blueticks, and I have got it every time I cross my dogs.

There is alot more to making a good cross then just taking any walker on any bluetick. Your formula in your kennel is in the purebred line of each breed you started with 10 years ago. What were there lines? Thats your foundation. I have to assume the two hounds you started with were some top hounds otherwise there would be no reason to continue the cross for 10 years.

One thing people have to realize no one can take a Smoky River bluetick on a Sackett walker and expect the same results as a Vaughn Bluetick on a Stylish Harry walker. Houndsmen that did and do crossbred usually follow the old addage of best to the best and then keep bringing it back to the top but the foundation has to be there for it to work in my opinion

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Cathunter10 · Post by **Cathunter10** » Wed Apr 30, 2008 1:55 am

Scott truer words have never been spoke My opinion is if you have dogs of any breed that are good why cross on another breed now I have done it with succsessbut it was a grade walker bitch Icrossed her on a regestered blue dog I still own.Only got two gyp pups They are four years old now and I havent culled them yet.Would I have made this cross if the old female Had been Reg.no way.Just my oppinion.
Bill

jst · Post by **jst** » Fri May 02, 2008 12:01 am

So what cross made a Redtick?

Redwood Coonhounds · Post by **Redwood Coonhounds** » Fri May 02, 2008 2:36 pm

No cross made a Redtick. They were the foundation breed. From the English came Walkers and Blueticks.

HISTORY
A person could almost say that the history of the English Coonhound is the history of all coonhounds — and he wouldn’t be too far wrong. With the exception of the Plott Hound, all the UKC breeds of coonhounds have a common ancestry that is deeply rooted in the English Foxhound.
The English was first registered by UKC in 1905, under the name of English Fox & Coonhound. In those days the dogs were used much more on fox than they are today. The name also reflected the similarity that the breed had to the American Foxhound and the English Foxhound.

The variation in color brings us to another aspect of the English Coonhound history. Both the Treeing Walker and the Bluetick Coonhound were originally registered with UKC as English. The Walker was recognized as a separate breed in 1945 and the Bluetick a year later. To this day there are still tri-colored and blueticked English hounds, though redticked dogs predominate.

The first mention we have of hounds in America appears in the diary of one of the men of the explorer DeSoto. He also mentions that the hounds were used for the hunting of Indians rather than fox, raccoon or rabbit.

In 1650, the Englishman Robert Brooke brought his pack of hounds with him. Thomas Walker of Virginia imported hounds from England in 1742, and in 1770 George Washington, an avid fox hunter, had hounds imported from England. These dogs were the foundation of the “Virginia Hounds”, from which our present day English Coonhound developed.

It was, however, for the Americans to adapt these animals to the much rougher American terrain and climate. And it was the Americans that, through careful breeding practices, adapted the hound to American game, the raccoon, opossum, cougar and various species of bear.

English hounds have excelled in both performance and conformation. The first major coonhound Field Trial of all time, the first Leafy Oak, was won by an English dog called “Bones”, owned by Colonel Leon Robinson.

jst · Post by **jst** » Sat May 03, 2008 12:29 am

Ok I have know the history of hounds. Let me refrase the question I don't think I was clear in what I meant. Do red ticks just happen from a normal english corss. Or do you breed for a red tick, ie a redtick and an english or a redtick and a bluetick or english and blue tick or redbone and blue tick Etc...... Or when someone says redtick do they just mean an english with ticks, other wise there being no distinction.?

Bearhunter · Post by **Bearhunter** » Sat May 03, 2008 8:03 am

JST,redtick is a color of english hound not a breed.I have raised litter where Ive had blue,red and tri colors.Yes for a while there was a trend to breed for redtick color only.Thank god it has seemed to died off.

Spanky · Post by **Spanky** » Sat May 03, 2008 10:19 am

Amen to that Sam....when breeding for color or ear length has nothing to do with the hounds actual hunting ability. This was the downfall of the old Finley River blood. The absolute best out there till it was determined they were the standard for the breed and everyone breed for the bench rather then the woods. IMO

R Severe · Post by **R Severe** » Sat May 03, 2008 12:14 pm

You said a mouthfull there Spanky. When any animal is bred for just looks or color it starts a downward spiral.

The proof? Look at the Border Collie. It has always competed in working ability classes, never on the bench. It is widely reconized as the smartest dog on the planet, and no one who watches them work doubts their ability.

If a guy needed more proof you could look at the horse halter classes. Lead and feed, not much good to swing a leg over.

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