breed of catdog

[coastrangecathunting]

i lef off some breeds if u want to explain feel free.

[twist]

Have found the treeing walker to be the most consistant in this area have tried about every breed out there and not saying there isn't good in all. Andy

[coastrangecathunting]

My dad said put him down for a bluetick running dog cross. My family hunted blueticks untill the late 80s. My dads dad hunted with Elbert Vaughn in Arkansas. Ray Proctor in cali. Eral Sisco, Goerge Vandoven in washionton. Rocky laney and leon Elliot in sweethome Or. Rocky laney had the first running dog my dad ever hunted with . He thinks the dog was called bo. My grampa started hunting in the 40s. The blueticks they had were a pretty nice dog too look at compared to some blueticks ive seen. My family Moved to coos co in the late 60s. The first real catdogs my dad recalls seeing were Tom Barnetts dogs. He said they could manufacture a cat. I dont know if the names of these guys are spelled right , I just got this info on the phone in a 3 min conversation. If u have ever watched the movie savage sam my grampa owned that dog for awhile. Just thought i would share some things my dad tells me. thought some people might know of the names i posted above.

jc

[Mrcrazyweasel]

Where are the Black and Tans! Everyone says their trashy dogs and can't bobcat hunt but i beg to differ. I've heard of some of the best bobcat dogs being b & t.

[mike martell]

J.C.
I hunted with Rocky and Jake Laney back many years ago around the 70's. Those guys could catch Bears with the best. Many old time hunters would stop at Jim Hickey's S&S Farms feed lot in Lebanon Oregon. Guys like Clayton Archibek, Lloyd Basey.

Rocky hunted any dog that got dumped off at his place in Sweet Home. Looking back on the hunters and the hounds, what would those guys have for hounds back then if they had something besides a bell attached to the collar? No telemetry, No Garmins, No e-collars.

Clayton Archibek would laugh at my Plotts, that was all i owned back in the day and he would always tell me once i seen a Real deal walker dog, Like he, Roland Wilson, Tommy Barnes owned...I would dump those Plotts....We would argue about how many culls there are in the Walker breed and Clayton would remind me that was because their are ten times more walkers than any other breed. Clayton died before he proved he was right!

[al baldwin]

JC might surprise you, but your Dad and I have something in common. I have seen several hounds that pleased me on cat that were walker bluetick crosses. Those dogs that Brad said could manufacture a cat belonging to Tom Barnett, sure had bluetick in them somewhere. Most of the packy & Sadie cross looked walker. Then some would turn out that left no doubt, blue was back there somewhere. The chub hound looked very English.
Mr. weasel, rest assured there are some good cat hounds in the B&T breed. A very good old time cat hunter in this area is now hunting walkers, however when I first met him 40 plus years ago he owned some very good B&T/S and caught as many, if not more than any hunter in this area & they were not trashy. Al

[dwalton]

Have we ever had a breed of bobcat dogs? We have Plott for bear, running walker for fox, Beagle for rabbit, Treeing Walker, black and tan. Bluetick, English and Redbone for coon. Have we ever had a breed for bobcat or do we just try to make do with what we have. There has been good bobcat dogs in all breeds and crosses but has there really ever been a breed for bobcat. Maybe it is just what a guy wants to hunt? Dewey

[Warner5]

Where I come from there is a breed for cat dogs, there chained up out back. John.

[coastrangecathunting]

Mike , my dad went to school with jake when he was around 10 yrs old. He remembers going to jim hickeys house and seeing those kennels full of dogs. I remember in the early ninetys jim coming down here and camping in the hills. he would hunt with my dad and loyd basey. He offered to buy my dads kelly dog for 7000.00 . My dad turned it down . She was one of the dogs that died in my dog box on a hot august day . totally my fault. That is one of the top 5 cat dogs i have ever seen. My dad said jim had a male dog named shane, that he bred to loyd baseys female lightning. That cross has alot to do with what warner and i are doing today.
Dewey, these were catdogs on bare ground. It never took a great trainer to catch cats. U didnt have to shock them for backtracking off the tree . U could take them to woods and if they ran a cat they caught it, located and treed. Kids were taking these pups out and bringing cats back to town. I am not saying they are the best ever, im saying they are the most natural cat bred catching machines i have ever seen. Growing up with plenty of cat catching people around me, dave fuller , loyd basey, rene sears, brad padgett, all hunted the same blood for cats. In the late 80s threw the 90s any 4 of those guys could show u multiple cats a night.
Again not bragging . Dogs out of these dogs were sold to guys like saral gellett. beuge and kate. I have talked to saral on the phone for the last 3 yrs and every time i do he wants a cat dog like beuge. A dog that dont bark unless they have the cat and locate and tree. When they do have the track they push it fast enough to catch it.
jc

[dwalton]

JC; I have owned,known and have hunted with dogs like you are talking about. All you do is take them to the woods and they produce. How many of those have you seen, how many lately, and who's breeding them? You said it has been 17 years since you have seen dog run a cat like Johns. I plan to see it hunt. Where was the breeding for the last 17 years and how are you going to reproduce it? That's the hard part. Good luck with it. Keep me posted. Dewey

[coastrangecathunting]

I have seen dogs that can can move a cat track since then, but if i could take 1 dog i have seen in my life and put it against any other dog in the world, it would be warners bud dog. The young dogs we have now are showing they have that in them. They are not even 2 yrs old and are catching cats consistantly. We have had the blood around the whole time but took it foregranted . Warner was raising a family and wasnt hunting much. I was hunting everything i could, thinking the grass was greener on the other side of the fince so to speak. It is hard to keep the same line of dogs for ever. they will change as time goes on. All i can hope for is to make them better instead of worse. I am bringing in more lines to add to what i think will improve them . The day i stop trying to make a better CATDOG is the day i die. I am dedicated to improve what i have. people that breed dogs without that in mind are wasting there time. There can be good dogs occationally out of ANY cross . I want top dogs everytime . will that happen ? I dont know , but thats what im trying to do. I was given a gift by seeing what real cat dogs are when i was young . So i know what im looking for. Can i take what i was given and make it better ? I geuss time will tell. With the help of the clays i hope i can make the best catdogs i have ever seen. If they lack in locating i will cross them with topper again nance dogs from andy. If that dont work i will give them somthing else and so on. I have in my kennel right now dogs from kemp,dewey, turner , grimmitt,oddison, the old blood and more. Im giving all i got to make the best catdogs i can. My intention for these dogs is for me , my dad and warner. No buddy else.

jc


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[al baldwin]

Guys this is good reading, Jc I am sure lighting came out of fred & lady, that was sired by the chub hound and their dam was a light bluetick colored female named sparkle, I bought sparkle from Cecil King & trained her. But sparkle was produced when a female from your Grand Dads blueticks was bred to a direct son from one of the hammer studs owned by Dave Dean. That hound was named DAN & owned by George Horner SR. So yes that blood that John got from Lloyd would trace back to Chub and all the Tom Barnett Dogs thru chub. Interesting your dad was offered 7000.00 for Kelley, sure glad Rene talked me into making that Tiny & Rowdy cross. Not bad for a country cat hound to sire a litter of pups like Kelley, cindy & pusher. Especially when no one was sure who his sire was. That is why I say cat hounds are just where you find them sometimes, & to think Rene told me he gave rowdy away as a pup because he keep packing his tools off and hiding them. I turned him down free as a pup and later jumped at the chance to buy him when Paul Shorb offered to sell him & if I remember correct because he was in hot water with his wife. That does not sound like a young Paul Shorb to me! Al Dang, JC YOU HAVE MY MIND WORKING OVERTIME,I WAS AT Lloyd/S WHEN HE HAD THAT SHANE DOG THERE. Almost sure he told me he was finley river bred and one heck of a tree dog. Ask Brad if that is what he remembers?

[mike martell]

J.C
You sure done it now! I'm going back many years.
The shane dog had parvo and almost died. Larry Cutwright hunted Shane on bobcats and most probably know it, but I would not give a dime for a cat dog back then unless the dog could catch a bear.According to Larry Shane lost nose power for trailing due to his parvo. I did not notice. I hunted shane on lots of bears back then and really liked the dog.Shane was one of thos dogs that when you cut him lose he was going to get bayed or treed. Jim owned a pile of hounds and most never were hunted as much as it takes due to Jim's health.

Jim also owned a Plott bear dog by the name of Thunder and that dog was the origin of the likes of many top bear dogs that I owned and hunted. My Shorty and Devil were from thunder and Gibson's wendy while Luke was from Devil and many other top Plott bear dogs. Larry Beggs can fill in the gaps on Luke.Mine had no ability to tree a bobcat and that suited me just fine if you hunted hides you could make two to three hundred dollars a night hunting coons and why bother with cats....three dollars would even get them put up while a bobcat was eighty five dollars to stretch and dry.

Along about the same time a man named David Peightal come to Oregon and was partners with Bill Dwyer with the Mc Kenzie river banjo dog. I think Bill hornschwagled the dog off of David if memory serves me David was young like the rest of us.David sold another dog named Rainbow to Dale Looney and those dog reproduced some amazing offspring. Shorty's cousin Roger G.out here hunted the same line back then. I can remember walking in to many trees and my plotts were nowhere to be seen untli we were ready to hike out of a tree. Once they died off it was over. I remember Lloyd Basey sending Jim a picture of around 100 bobcats with Shane in it.

I suspect most of the old blood is diluted down and possibly J.C. and John have line bred them dogs and if so, I too would like to see them go and if the could bay a bear in B.C. I would feed one.Haha....I also had no idea Brad went to scholl with Jake. I graduated the Same Year with Jake's sister Wanda. That would make Brad a couple years older than me.One thing is for sure, Oregon is not that big and good dogs got bred and hunted hard back then and like John Warner has stated, staked out in the back yard!

[dwalton]

JC and John Look at what produced that dog and line breed. Mother, father, brother,sister. Stay as close as you can until you start producing like dogs again. Good luck Dewey

[Warner5]

Al, Loyd had a dog named painter. It was out of Willis Suttons dogs, Painter was a littermate to jc.

The father to your rowdy dog was painter. 1/4, 5 point trigg. 1/4, Loyd Bassie(barnett blood). 1/2, Willis Sutton(painter) = Rowdy.

Hope this helps, hope I got it right. John.