Hello everybody,
My name is Brandon and I am fairly new on here. I will give you a little background on me before my questions start. Also I have a tendency to be long winded so sorry about that. I have had 1 hound before. It was 3 yrs ago and I was on this website trying to figure out how to make a cat dog. Well I never did my research and made an impulse buy, she ended up being a very moody dog and even snapped at me when I pulled her off a tree w/ my moms housecat in it! Well she is gone but I still have this itch to hunt cats. I live in the coast range of oregon outside of Salem.
I am looking for a little direction in picking out a hound for me. I will be hunting on foot mostly and will only have one dog. Now I know folks are gonna tell me to buy a finished hound and let them teach me to hunt cats. I enjoy the training though and want my hound raised around my family and be used to them. I don't care how many cats a year they tree if I have to worry about my daughter getting snapped at.
So i am looking for tips towards kennels that have known cat dogs that sell pups. Also I am partial to blueticks and the old fashioned looking hounds but what are some physical characteristics of a good bobcat hound? Size, cold nose, would a hot nose be better for a 1 hound pack.
I have looked at bawlin tree kennels where they have majestics that the lancaster guys use. They tree cats but am not sure if that large of dog would fit my bill so to speak. I have looked at a kennel that has gascons but think they might be to big and slow also.There are also a couple local kennels that I am looking into at the time. I am still a year out from buying a dog probably but I want to do my reseach this time. Any input will help a bunch!!
Thanks for your time and for any advice. I don't have a home computer so it may be a couple days before I can get back on. Thanks.
Brandon- Hopefully soon to be cat hunter!
Advice on 1 dog pack for bobcat...
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Hipshooter
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A man is not very smart that can,t find his wife 2 jobs.
And any wife should be able to support her man and a pack of hounds.
Never shock your dog off bad game
untill he knows what good game is. - Location: Kansas
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There are lots of posts on this website that will help u on bobcat hunting.
If u are wanting to hunt bobcats only, u might be looking in the wrong direction on breed of dog for cats.
Useing one dog on cats usally don,t catch any cats.
Training one pup to trail & catch bobcats is an up hill battle to say the least.
I would tell u to study about bobcat hunting, with hounds , before u buy a pup & try to catch bobcats.
There are a lot of old timers hunters on this site that will help u.
If u are wanting to hunt bobcats only, u might be looking in the wrong direction on breed of dog for cats.
Useing one dog on cats usally don,t catch any cats.
Training one pup to trail & catch bobcats is an up hill battle to say the least.
I would tell u to study about bobcat hunting, with hounds , before u buy a pup & try to catch bobcats.
There are a lot of old timers hunters on this site that will help u.
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Teddy Wilson
Is that the same Teddy that looks like Alfred E Newman!!!? LoL!!!
I am all ears!Hey Brandon,
good to see you back on here. As you know, you are living about 20 miles from some of the best bobcat hunting I have ever found. You really, really need to hook up with an Oregon bobcat hunter.
My advice is dont even try to find a dog until you have found that succesful hunter that will let you tag along. It will be easier to get permission to come along if you do not have a dog. Then hunt with the person as often as you can. Stay with him a year or two and then ask him about getting a dog. This may sound goofy, but let him choose your dog if you want to hunt with him. And really, even if his dogs are not exactly what you had in mind, you would be way ahead in the feild of gaining knowledge if you buy one of his dogs from him. This fosters trust, and he will be more likely to open up to you.
The ideal situation would be an older man who maybe is getting too old to be out there alone, but still wants to go and could use a pair of young legs to help out.
If you can not find anyone that will let you do this, save up your money, and hire someone (just like you would a hunting guide) to take you on some guided bobcat hunts. I know a few names in Oregon and Idaho who are top hunters and can put you in contact with them. They might let you tag along for free, but offering to pay for a guided hunt would be a good way to open some doors for yourself (especially if they are far enough away from where you live so they wont fear you moving in on them).
Two or three times out with one of these top hunters could save you a lot of years of struggling on your own, and ultimately, would save you a ton of money too.
If you absolutely cant keep yourself from getting a dog, I gotta warn you to stay away from those big old droopy dogs. If that is the type dog you are drawn to, you need to look into the game those dogs are best suited for, and that is NOT coastal brush bobcats. If you truely love that style dog, that is fine, get one. But dont then punish yourself by trying to catch coastal bobcats with them. Those little red cats above you are scooting through rhododendron and salal tunnels. Those big dogs can not hang with a cat up there in that stuff.
One dog is enough up there, if you got the right dog. Your chances of getting the right pup from anywhere other than a succesful coastal bobcat hunter are about one in one thousand. It can happen, and has, but put your research less into dogs and more into dog men and you will improve your chances greatly.
good to see you back on here. As you know, you are living about 20 miles from some of the best bobcat hunting I have ever found. You really, really need to hook up with an Oregon bobcat hunter.
My advice is dont even try to find a dog until you have found that succesful hunter that will let you tag along. It will be easier to get permission to come along if you do not have a dog. Then hunt with the person as often as you can. Stay with him a year or two and then ask him about getting a dog. This may sound goofy, but let him choose your dog if you want to hunt with him. And really, even if his dogs are not exactly what you had in mind, you would be way ahead in the feild of gaining knowledge if you buy one of his dogs from him. This fosters trust, and he will be more likely to open up to you.
The ideal situation would be an older man who maybe is getting too old to be out there alone, but still wants to go and could use a pair of young legs to help out.
If you can not find anyone that will let you do this, save up your money, and hire someone (just like you would a hunting guide) to take you on some guided bobcat hunts. I know a few names in Oregon and Idaho who are top hunters and can put you in contact with them. They might let you tag along for free, but offering to pay for a guided hunt would be a good way to open some doors for yourself (especially if they are far enough away from where you live so they wont fear you moving in on them).
Two or three times out with one of these top hunters could save you a lot of years of struggling on your own, and ultimately, would save you a ton of money too.
If you absolutely cant keep yourself from getting a dog, I gotta warn you to stay away from those big old droopy dogs. If that is the type dog you are drawn to, you need to look into the game those dogs are best suited for, and that is NOT coastal brush bobcats. If you truely love that style dog, that is fine, get one. But dont then punish yourself by trying to catch coastal bobcats with them. Those little red cats above you are scooting through rhododendron and salal tunnels. Those big dogs can not hang with a cat up there in that stuff.
One dog is enough up there, if you got the right dog. Your chances of getting the right pup from anywhere other than a succesful coastal bobcat hunter are about one in one thousand. It can happen, and has, but put your research less into dogs and more into dog men and you will improve your chances greatly.
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A man is not very smart that can,t find his wife 2 jobs.
And any wife should be able to support her man and a pack of hounds.
Never shock your dog off bad game
untill he knows what good game is. - Location: Kansas
xx
David,
You gave this young man some very sound advice.
This is what this board is all about, helping out the young guys.
I hope he takes your advice, because it is very good.
getting bobcat hounds & catching bobcats is probably the most difficult
task in the hound dog world.
When u catch bobcats on a regular basis on dry ground with trail hounds
u are a master houndsman.
You gave this young man some very sound advice.
This is what this board is all about, helping out the young guys.
I hope he takes your advice, because it is very good.
getting bobcat hounds & catching bobcats is probably the most difficult
task in the hound dog world.
When u catch bobcats on a regular basis on dry ground with trail hounds
u are a master houndsman.
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I have had alot of success hunting bobcat with just one hound and sometimes I wish I had just one hound out as a good bobcat dog by himself is awsome to watch the only down fall to this is one day your good old cat dog has gotten old or has kicked the bucket and there is nothing to fill his or her shoes so that is why many of us are hunting more than one dog so when something like this happens you are not kickin yourself in the butt. But believe me one good cat hound can tree alot of cats on their own. The other post are great advise but if you truely want to cat hunt buy yourself with your own young hound just stick with one dog, (from proven cat stock) and dedicate yourself to alot of walking and helping your hound out. It wont happen over night.
The home of TOPPER AGAIN bred biggame hounds.
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Ted is from corvalis area.. I can't think of the Actuall town, but I could probably get you his number.. I've never hunted with him but everything I've heard is a top Cat hunter.. I've bullshited with him some, and He's a Super nice Guy. You wouldn't go wrong with a guy like that..
David,
That's what I was trying to write a couple days ago, but I deleted it because I just couldn't get the wording of what I was trying to say...
Good post.
Find a good hunter first and stay on him like a tick.. Eventually they will get used to you being around and spill some Good advice. For me it took a couple years to realize that they were giving me advice all along.. I just wasn't hearing it..
I was too In Love with my Favorite Dog to see their faults, Maybe I still am, but at least it's a dog that seams a Little bit better and doesn't screw up quite as much.
But if you like the Hard road, Hit the woods as much as you can and I'm sure if your like me.
Find a Good dog, Find a Good Cat hunter, and get in the woods as much as you possibly can for a couple years.. Then if all the stars line up just right.. you might start catching some cats!
I'm still trying to get them stars lined up!
Brandon,
If you take away the "Good" and Then there even this question about being a Cat hunter? Or Why I cat hunt?, Anyways while your expectations are still low..
I'm sure we'll be hunting up around Mount Hood some this year, I'll talk with my buddy but I'm sure you'd be welcome to come watch us screw up a couple cat races once in a while.. Send me a PM some time. We'll be getting out Every weekend, after Elk season ends here.
Can't help you out with dogs, I wouldn't pick a cat dog anymore unless I've been hunting with the parents a couple times... there are allot of Good dogs out there I wouldn't want to own, let alone bad ones.
Good luck..
David,
That's what I was trying to write a couple days ago, but I deleted it because I just couldn't get the wording of what I was trying to say...
Good post.
Find a good hunter first and stay on him like a tick.. Eventually they will get used to you being around and spill some Good advice. For me it took a couple years to realize that they were giving me advice all along.. I just wasn't hearing it..
I was too In Love with my Favorite Dog to see their faults, Maybe I still am, but at least it's a dog that seams a Little bit better and doesn't screw up quite as much.
But if you like the Hard road, Hit the woods as much as you can and I'm sure if your like me.
Find a Good dog, Find a Good Cat hunter, and get in the woods as much as you possibly can for a couple years.. Then if all the stars line up just right.. you might start catching some cats!
I'm still trying to get them stars lined up!
Brandon,
If you take away the "Good" and Then there even this question about being a Cat hunter? Or Why I cat hunt?, Anyways while your expectations are still low..
I'm sure we'll be hunting up around Mount Hood some this year, I'll talk with my buddy but I'm sure you'd be welcome to come watch us screw up a couple cat races once in a while.. Send me a PM some time. We'll be getting out Every weekend, after Elk season ends here.Can't help you out with dogs, I wouldn't pick a cat dog anymore unless I've been hunting with the parents a couple times... there are allot of Good dogs out there I wouldn't want to own, let alone bad ones.
Good luck..
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A man is not very smart that can,t find his wife 2 jobs.
And any wife should be able to support her man and a pack of hounds.
Never shock your dog off bad game
untill he knows what good game is. - Location: Kansas
xx
Twist
Your advice is very good when hunting cats in snow.
one dog packs can catch cats on snow.
but on dry ground this is a different story.
Finding one dog that can catch a cat on dry ground on a regular basis in the mid west
by himself is almost impossiable
Yes any old coon dog or any dog will tree a cat once in a while.
But on a regular basis no.
If u found one that could, the price would be prohibitive.
I know probably 20 cat hunters in Ks Okla & Tex that catch cats on a regular basis. Not one of them will tell u that they have a dog that can catch a cat by them selves. These guys trade dogs amongest them selves
all the time, dogs sell for 3, 4 5 thousand , but not one dog will catch
cats by him self on a regular basis.
Catching cats in dry country is a team effort with dogs.
I am not an athority on cat hunting, just my 50 years of following the hounds.
Your advice is very good when hunting cats in snow.
one dog packs can catch cats on snow.
but on dry ground this is a different story.
Finding one dog that can catch a cat on dry ground on a regular basis in the mid west
by himself is almost impossiable
Yes any old coon dog or any dog will tree a cat once in a while.
But on a regular basis no.
If u found one that could, the price would be prohibitive.
I know probably 20 cat hunters in Ks Okla & Tex that catch cats on a regular basis. Not one of them will tell u that they have a dog that can catch a cat by them selves. These guys trade dogs amongest them selves
all the time, dogs sell for 3, 4 5 thousand , but not one dog will catch
cats by him self on a regular basis.
Catching cats in dry country is a team effort with dogs.
I am not an athority on cat hunting, just my 50 years of following the hounds.
Thanks for the advice David. It's always nice to hear from you. Thanks to all the others also. Some say its not possible for a 1 dog pack but then 1-2 people say it is and I get my mind to it. Just need a shred of confidence. I plan on getting out this winter with some folks to help learn the ropes and get that learning curve started. Thanks for all the help guys.
Brandon
I plan on getting out this winter with some folks to help learn the ropes and get that learning curve started. Thanks for all the help guys. Brandon
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I have said this before and stand firm in my belief that if you go out and buy a finished dog you are now a man that owns a hound. Train your own dog to hunt whatever your desired game and you are a houndsmen.
Find someone in your area that hunts and consistently catches your target game and ask them for help. Be humble in their presents and listen closely to what is being said. Then go home and try it will Ol’Blue. Together (you and Ol’Blue) with a little direction from your new friend, you will learn as much as Ol’Blue in the “art of bobcat hunting with hounds” as you will ever teach.
Be very patient with Ol’Blue. This is the one thing you MUST learn as a cat hunter.
If you are serious about hunting and agree to return the pup if it is not what you are looking for call me and I will sell you a 7 month old pup that is showing very well for 200.00 (and yes I will refund your 200.00). The ONLY reason I am selling him is that I need to get back to 4 dogs. In fact I will let you choice between the two pups I have. They are both showing very well as others are from this cross. Feel free to ask around about this cross as there are members of this board who have pups from this cross (Penni X Turk)
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Find someone in your area that hunts and consistently catches your target game and ask them for help. Be humble in their presents and listen closely to what is being said. Then go home and try it will Ol’Blue. Together (you and Ol’Blue) with a little direction from your new friend, you will learn as much as Ol’Blue in the “art of bobcat hunting with hounds” as you will ever teach.
Be very patient with Ol’Blue. This is the one thing you MUST learn as a cat hunter.
If you are serious about hunting and agree to return the pup if it is not what you are looking for call me and I will sell you a 7 month old pup that is showing very well for 200.00 (and yes I will refund your 200.00). The ONLY reason I am selling him is that I need to get back to 4 dogs. In fact I will let you choice between the two pups I have. They are both showing very well as others are from this cross. Feel free to ask around about this cross as there are members of this board who have pups from this cross (Penni X Turk)
Don 541-580-8974