Drahthaar or Airdale

[Henefer-hound-hunter]

I'm going to look up this Matt Thom guy your the third person IV heard say he has good stock. It seems like people are either real impressed or really disappointed in Turnipseed's dogs not a lot of I between. Talked to people who love them and people who hated them, but the longer I'm around hounds it seems like that is how it is with most breeders. Probably all preference?

Cam

[lookinup]

I've looked into Matt Thom quite a bit and also read I believe everything on this site about all three of these breeds. I really think I am leaning towards a german wirehair at this point. Don't have the fancy testing like the drahthaars and not as likely to be aggressive to other dogs. I'm really trying to find a breeder of them that uses his/her dogs on fur(at least partially) most of the GWP breeders seem to be strictly bird. Maybe I'm overthinking things and one out of a good bird line would be just fine. Did find one guy in ND who apparently has references on some of his pups on fur. Going to reach out to him and se what I can find out. Dakota Wirehairs is the kennel. Anyone heard of them?

[Henefer-hound-hunter]

I personally think if you found a breeder that has really gamey bird dogs that they would hunt fur too, it seems like those German dogs just have so much drive to peruse game that they excell at anything you will let them hunt.

Cam

[lookinup]

I agree. The more I read about the GWP the more I believe exactly what you said.

[john porter]

I have a female gwp and they are awesome. Mine hangs out with me at work then sits and watches tv with me at night. Smart as heck but very gamey. This breed is wired 440 volts but that's what I like about them.

[Joshg223]

I've been looking and researching the drat dogs and have looked into the gwp but those guys are breeding for bird hunting traits and aren't nearly as strict on breeding standards so I won't consider it simply but I don't want to chance it. I'm looking for a fur dog.


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[Joshg223]

Go to vdd-gna.org. Lots of good info on the drahthaar and a good list of breeders


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[hillbilly boy]

Any of you all hunt fur with your points would wonder how they might do for fox coyote mink muskrat and beaver I have heard of them tracking coyote and fox with some saying that they will catch and kill them and some saying that they drive them out to the gun and with the mink muskrat and beaver they work along the water edges to find the den's they use wondering about how they would do for that and be a turkey and shed hunting dog

[Dan Edwards]

Ive heard lotsa stories bout these pointers killin coyotes but in my personal experience them most be some pretty sorry coyotes or pups.

[hillbilly boy]

Well I don't know for sure but one of the guys I talked with on another forum said he hunting his regale on coon fox bobcat and coyote with no more than two of them catching most of the time

[Dan Edwards]

I can believe the first 3 but the coyote meh maybe some of them 2 of them could handle yes but not all of them.

[hillbilly boy]

Not doubting you because from some of your posts you are more experienced than me it was just something I was wondering because of the little bit I have found about them some of the game they were used for in Germany was hog and fox I have never been on a hog hunt but from what I have read they can be some of the most dangerous game around so that what made me wonder

[Andyva]

The way some of those Europeans do it, they send a dog into a tiny woodlot and cover the sides with guns. This way it is just a flushing dog. Wild boar, fox, makes no difference, dog goes in, barks and game comes out. I have heard of guys here using various pointers as deer dogs. A dog for just one or two hunters. He goes in a thick spot, runs the deer for a little while, and if they get a shot, great, if they don't, the dog comes back and they try some place else. The dogs don't stay hooked up long. I have seen videos of people hunting moose with teckles, teckles are dachsunds. The dog doesn't have to be big to move game. There is a lot of difference in a flushing dog, and a dog that cold trails, jumps and runs an animal until the animal decides not to run anymore, and stays and bays it until you get there. With a flushing dog, it is doing the same thing one of your buddies could do in making a man drive.

[hillbilly boy]

Well would you think D.D could pick up a track around a bait site and flush them out of cover in the heavy cover we have in the s.e

[Andyva]

If they hung out around the bait all night and laid up in cover a couple hundred yards away, maybe. Do you have a way to cover all possible escape routes with a man holding a shotgun? If not, you are not going to have much action when you do hook up with one. I trap in the southeast. A lot of times I set up a farm and coyotes don't come though for several nights , maybe a week. In my opinion, hoping for one to be laid up near a bait would be a lot like chasing a needle in a hay stack. The ones here don't seem to be real interested in bait unless it's January or February, and then they might just check it out, mark it and leave without eating anything. There are too many crippled deer and barn cats to eat fresh.

These guys in Europe, those woodlots have been there for a long time, people might have been flushing game out of them for centuries. They know where to put the standers.